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hi everyone, i came back from a trip and pita's toilet training is getting worse, i go with her for walks for 30 minutes even when it's snow, and she just comes back and pees and poo's i shout at her and smack her but it just doesnt work, i really need help!!!

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How old is she, and how often do you take her out? Are you doing crate training, or leashing her to you, to stop her from being able to slip away to go to the bathroom? I don't know if you've shared what you've beend doing before, and don't want to share methods that have failed for you.

I really hate to hear about you yelling, and hitting her. You'd probably have faster results, and build a better relationship with kinder training methods.
 

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I wish I lived closer so I could take her.

No matter how mad you get, you should never, ever, EVER hit a dog. That's about the biggest no-no there is. Look at a mama wolf with he rpups. Does she ever smack them? Of course not. She doesn't even have hands!

Give Pita a break. She's just a baby!
 

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Doron, please don't hit Pita... :nono5: it will get you no where and she will learn to be afraid of you.
She is probably getting a little worse because of the change in environment (you being on a trip). Most puppies have their breaking periods and they get back on track.
Keep up with what you have been doing until now with the crate, it takes time and patience.... but it will work.... lots of praises and good words will do much more than shouting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif . Don't give up on the crate, it works. Put her there right away when you come back from a walk with her and then take her out again on a walk after an hour or so, she will eventually go potty outside. When she does - you know what to do.
 

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guys guys!!!!
i asked about 4 diffrent vets and they told me to take a newspaper and smack, not hit smack! im not doing this because i decided and i am not happy doing it i am not yelling i am shouting... me and pita have such a great relationship, and we have a wonderful time together! i am very dissapointed and i dont think that you can help me...
 

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i mean, some of you told me yes to raise my voice when she does something bad, and i mnot yelling at all, i am crate training her and during the night she is wonderful!!!! when she does something in the house i just take a piece of paper and smack and she understands that it is not right to do what she is doing... i asked for help not critisizem, and by the way me and pita have such a wonderful relationship and i am very offended by your reactions! and chloey's mommy, thank you.
 

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Time, time, and more time. Duke is almost 9 months and we are just now getting to the point where I would call him potty trained.

I went through the same thing when he was younger, keep him out forever and he'd come right back in and do his business. Just keep trying different methods. One thing I learned is that when they have "their spot", they will never stop going in that spot, no matter what you do. I used Nature's Miracle, shampooed, everything and Duke still kept going in the same spot. So, I blocked off the room and guess what? My pup is potty trained! YAY! So if Pita keeps using the same spot, try to block it off so she can't go there.

I know some old-school trainers may suggest the newspaper and to be honest, that's how my parents pups were trained when I was a kid. But things have changed and we have learned better how to treat and train our dogs. I understand you aren't trying to hurt Pita (I also totally understand the frustration when you keep trying and it seems like she's not). I do agree that you should scold her and put her back outside and tell her "pooty outside". But the most important thing is time and patience and she'll get there, I swear!
 

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Doron, no one is criticizing you!!! believe me, we have all been through this, and some of us still are. Chloe is 10 months old and I can say that she is very good, but occasionally (not very often) she has accidents.
Keep on with the crate, even during the day as much as you can. It will be OK eventually, but with puppies it just takes time. They tend to get distracted with playing and by the time they realize they need to pee or poop it's too late... just like with babies that are being taught to use the potty and not diapers.
Since most vets are not animal behaviorists or trainers, I wouldn't take their advice in smacking (even with newspapers)... it just doesn't work (in my opinion). I can understand the frustration with the accidents, but you have to pull through it. Unless you catch her in the act and then raise your voice with a firm NO!, I suggest that you just ignore (and clean of course /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif ).
Maybe for now, getting back on track, you should try and take her out every 3 hours for a few days and than start taking her out every 4-5 hours, and so on.
Don't be disappointed by the responses, we are all just so attached to our beagles and feel toward them like we do to our own human kids.

Be strong!! :thumbup:
 

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Quote:Originally posted by doronkoll:
i mean, some of you told me yes to raise my voice when she does something bad, and i mnot yelling at all, i am crate training her and during the night she is wonderful!!!! when she does something in the house i just take a piece of paper and smack and she understands that it is not right to do what she is doing... i asked for help not critisizem, and by the way me and pita have such a wonderful relationship and i am very offended by your reactions! and chloey's mommy, thank you.
I'm sorry you're offended, but I disagree with your vet's advice in this instance, about hitting, smacking or what ever else you call it. Every dog is different, and every owner will decide to use different methods. In my opinion, the method of smacking the dog is not a good one, and that is the reason I provided that advice. I've raised and housetrained my dog from 2 months to the age of two years without it, so it's not as if I'm giving advice that has not worked for me.

I also asked for information on what you had done, and the age of your dog so that I could provide useful advice to you. It would be great if you could give that information, or if you've shared it here in the past, share the links to it.

Until then, here's some basic info that helped when I was there. Take the dog out, immediately after every meal, immediately after waking up, and once an hour. Don't stay out longer than 10 minutes at a time. When you take her out, keep her on a short leash, and take her to the spot where you want her to do her business.

The trip at this point should only be about using the bathroom, and not playing or exploring. If she doesn't go in that time, then take her inside, and put her back in her crate for 30 minutes, then take her back out and try again. You don't want the dog to get so caught up in playing and sniffing that she forgets to go. Don't let her alone in the house. Either keep her in her crate if you can't watch her or leashed and next to you. When you see her sniffing and looking for a spot to go, take her out immediately. Praise her and give her a treat when she does use the bathroom. If you catch her going inside, tell her No! outside! then take her out.
 

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Doronkoll,

PLEASE, PLEASE, dont be offended by our response...I PROMISE you, you will find help here, and so much more than housetraining, as challenges will alwasy occur.

Your vet advised you one thing, but honestly, sometimes those who have been through it know best on this situation.

Please understand that many of us were or still are in your situation and started out training one way and changed b/c of this forum

This is a WONDERFUL place, and I promise we can help you with this and many other things.

Also, you have to know that a lot of people here rescued their beagles, some from shelters, some from research labs, so any physical violence towards animals is a VERY sensitive subject and we bring it up b/c we want to help you out and make sure the right thing is done...it is meant in no way to attack you, just to educate.

Mine is 7 mo old and has accidents often still..now by the door, he is slowly getting it

Key is: CATCH THEM IN THE ACT...you have to be able to do this....if you find it later and stuff the nose in the pee, they have no idea what your doing and why your doing it and it just harms the relationship.

I try to yell 'no' across the room when I see it happen b/f I can get to him..but my dog doenst know 'no' yet, I just pick him up calmly, put him outside, after a few times, he gets it and now will pee in the same place.

Good luck, please dont leave us, we are a great community with lots of advice.

Amanda
 

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I think those vet's advice shows little understanding of the Beagle Bred. It is my observations that beagles are stubborn and anything negative is counter-productive in their training. They do want to please and I have found that positive reenforcement works very well in training my adult rescues. I do know that with most breeds the gentle correction methods I believe you have tried are often recommended BUT I ain’t sure they will work with hounds, and especially beagle hounds.

I know nothing of training a puppy except that it take time and patience and haven’t housebroken an animal since I rescued a wild cottontail orphan. Toilet training a rabbit is deciding where he wants to go an placing an appropriate toilet there /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

I’m afraid the method I would try is to make a big fuss whenever the puppy goes in an appropriate place. By big fuss I mean saying “OH what a good dog” in a very happy excited manner, giving lots of praise and even show your pleasure with a treat once in awhile. Just immediately taking the puppy to an appropriate toilet location whenever the puppy exhibits any indication of going in an inappropriate place. I suspect as soon as the pup associates going in an appropriate place with a happy time (and even a treat), the pup will alert you whenever the urge to go is present. You could get some sleigh bells. Hang them next to the door where you exit to the appropriate place and ring them when as you escort the pup out. I bet the pup will pick up on it soon and you’ll hear sleigh bells ringing sooner than you might think.
 

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Only just seen your post. Dont take offence at advice here, all is meant well. I cant stand the thought of any physical punishment, because our two went through hell for their first 5 years as research dogs. Now, 3 carpets later, they seem to be house trained!
Keep at the training you will get there in the end.
One thing we do with ours, they adore their walks but do nothing on them. Thus when they return home they get a treat and then are put in the garden. This is when they do their business. They have learnt walk, treat out to potty.
 

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hey everyone!
i am in 10th grade, and i live in serbia because my father is the israeli ambassador in serbia, as you can imagine, we have alot of gusts and we nede the house good and clean, when i am at home i try to take out pita every 2-4 hours, and between i take her outside to the balconey, when i am in school we have a cook and a house made that take care of pita and i am going to talk to them about changing the behaviour with pita. during the night she is good in the crate and now i will start doing crate also during the day. we are going to move to a new house in 1-2 months, do i need to know any accidentd that will happen then?
and by the way pita is 5 months old...
 

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Pita is still a puppy. Puppies have small bladders and are only capable of holding it for small amounts of time.

If you crate Pita during the day...is it possible for the cook or maid to take her outside every couple of hours? When she is taken out, you should all be using the same phrase for "potty". Then alot of praise when she goes.

When Pita is allowed to roam the house under supervision, whenever her nose goes to the ground and she starts sniffing...take her out and use the potty phrase. Also, when in the house, provide her with toys and chewies and attention and keep an eye on her.

She is a puppy and accidents are going to happen. Be consistent in her housetraining and she will eventually get it. Don't discipline her with hits or spankings or yelling...be firm and calm so she doesn't associate peeing with anger.

It will take work and diligence on your part and hopefully cooperation from your family and house employees. That's a fact. But I promise, it will be worth it.

Hope this helps.

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Quote:Originally posted by doronkoll:
hey everyone!
i am in 10th grade, and i live in serbia because my father is the israeli ambassador in serbia, as you can imagine, we have alot of gusts and we nede the house good and clean, when i am at home i try to take out pita every 2-4 hours, and between i take her outside to the balconey, when i am in school we have a cook and a house made that take care of pita and i am going to talk to them about changing the behaviour with pita. during the night she is good in the crate and now i will start doing crate also during the day. we are going to move to a new house in 1-2 months, do i need to know any accidentd that will happen then?
and by the way pita is 5 months old...
I'm glad you came back.

Crating her during the day will a great start. If you, or your parents' staff can't watch her like a hawk, that's where she should be. At five months old, she should theoretically, be able to hold her bladder for five hours while in the crate, and letting her out every 2-3 hours should be enough. Not every dog is like this though, so you have to get to know your own dog's personal schedule. Some people keep a log of the times the dog goes to the bathroom, and are able to see a pattern.

Be prepared for accidents once you move into your new home. It's natural for dogs to regress when something big happens, like a move, or gaining or losing a family member. It's not done on purpose, and if you are patient with her, she'll get through it.

It sounds like you and Pita are going to be on the right track, if you crate her during the day, and get everyone to use praise instead of punishment. As Gingergoose said, she could learn to associate peeing with anger. If that happens, you'll have a setback, because she'll start hiding to pee.

Good luck. Puppies are hard work, and can be frustrating, but it can be done.
 

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i have another problem!

i just told my cook about the crating during the day and she refused to do it because she thinks that it abuses and hurts pita, i dont know what to do and i cant do it alone!
 

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Hmmm...how big is the crate? If it's a crate only big enough for Pita to stand and maybe turn around then it's too small to leave her in for several hours at a time in my opinion.

A larger crate or cage...say the size for a lab...with a blanket in it and toys would be more like a small room and would give her alot of room.

I've heard that putting small puppies in huge crates gives them enough room to pee/poop in a corner and manage to comfortable stay away from it while still in the crate. But a beagle in a lab-sized crate should be a good fit.

Another option to contain her without crating her is a toddler fence. It is plastic and literally connects to itself to act as a small fenced in play area that a toddler can't escape from. But the floor is not protected.

I'm the cook cares so much about Pita; what ideas does she have?

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Quote:Originally posted by doronkoll:
i have another problem!

i just told my cook about the crating during the day and she refused to do it because she thinks that it abuses and hurts pita, i dont know what to do and i cant do it alone!
Do you know what they do with Pita during the day? If possible, the cook could put Pita on a leash, and keep her next to her when she can watch her, and crate her when she can't.
 

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I think the leash idea is good.
You should explain to the cook (or who ever it is watching Pita) that crating her is actually a good way to ensure her well being. After not long they like being in the crate, it's a safe and comfy area for them.
 
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