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Hi all,
This my first post here and I am seeking the advice of some knowledgable Beagle owners.

My beagle (Max) is now 3 months old. I got him when he was six weeks. Young I know but we have bonded so well.
I can teach him to do almost anything and he has very good manners for a puppy.
BUT, the problem lies with him playing with other dogs. Whenever I take him to the dog park or beach he plays so rough. He thinks he's ten feet tall and bulletproof and will bite and tackle the bigger dogs to the point where he is hanging off their face by his teeth.
Most of the time the older dogs tolerate this but i dont think they will for much longer.
Max is only playing but he doesnt understand that he is being too rough.
He currently has a girlfriend who he met at the beach at random, also a beagle of the same age. They have play dates but he is very rough with her. She is a very shy girl whereas he is very boistrous.

He got told off a couple of days ago by a bigger dog who snapped at him. Didnt touch him though. Max went scampering away screaming his lungs out. He really needed that because he was quiet from then on.

I really need help on how to teach him to be gentle. I dont want him to get himself into trouble.

Another problem. He used to be an inside dog. But he proved to be very hard to toilet train so he was banned to being outside. Every now and then he is allowed in but almost every time, he does his business inside the house when the door is wide open for him to go outside.

He just did it then and I growled at him like i never have before and he scampered outside.
He is 3 months old! and still does this. How do i stop him from doing it inside?

Please if anyone has advice please let me know.
Thanks
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Originally Posted By: EnigmaHe got told off a couple of days ago by a bigger dog who snapped at him. Didnt touch him though. Max went scampering away screaming his lungs out. He really needed that because he was quiet from then on.

I really need help on how to teach him to be gentle. I dont want him to get himself into trouble.
It sounds like he doesn't have very good doggy manners, and his value for other dogs is very high.

I would be very careful letting him run loose with other dogs because he may very well get himself seriously hurt or worse if he continues like this - he's only small and one day might be too rough with a dog that won't tolerate it.

What sort of training have you done with him? Have you taking him to puppy school or obedience training? I would be enrolling him in training class ASAP, it will give him an opportunity to socialise with other dogs in a controlled manner and will teach him to have focus on you around other dogs. Reward him for calmness and if he's too rough, call him back to you or put him on the leash until he calms down. Teach him that rough play = time out.

To be honest I would be putting a lot of work into training him around other dogs and increasing his value of you. Often when I have Daisy around other dogs I will work on getting her focus on me, and playing a game with her so that she sees me as more exciting and she can learn to focus on me when other dogs are around. I would be reluctant to let him off leash until he has a better recall and you can call him away before he gets too rough.

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Another problem. He used to be an inside dog. But he proved to be very hard to toilet train so he was banned to being outside. Every now and then he is allowed in but almost every time, he does his business inside the house when the door is wide open for him to go outside.

He just did it then and I growled at him like i never have before and he scampered outside.
He is 3 months old! and still does this. How do i stop him from doing it inside?
Why did you yell at him when he doesn't know what he's done is wrong? From the sounds of it, you gave up toilet training him because it was too hard. This will sound harsh, but you need to remember it's not his fault you failed to teach him where to toilet.

Now you've put him outside permanently he's had no opportunity to learn where to toilet.

Next time he toilets inside take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head
I would be going back to basics and taking him outside to toilet on a schedule.

Take him out every hour on the hour, take him out when he wakes up from a sleep, after he's eaten or drunk water. Take him out after he's played. When you take him out to toilet give a cue command like 'go wees' or 'go toilet' so he learns to associate a command word with toileting. Give him lots of praise and a treat when he does toilet outside, and reiterate the command word. If you catch him toileting inside pick him up silently and put him outside, give him lots of praise for being in the right area.

Toilet training takes PATIENCE and consistency. It won't happen over night and it's up to you to teach him where to toilet. Punishing him for toileting inside will only teach him not to toilet in front of you, not that outside is where you want him to eliminate.
 

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Originally Posted By: EnigmaHe got told off a couple of days ago by a bigger dog who snapped at him. Didnt touch him though. Max went scampering away screaming his lungs out. He really needed that because he was quiet from then on.

I really need help on how to teach him to be gentle. I dont want him to get himself into trouble.
It sounds like he doesn't have very good doggy manners, and his value for other dogs is very high.

I would be very careful letting him run loose with other dogs because he may very well get himself seriously hurt or worse if he continues like this - he's only small and one day might be too rough with a dog that won't tolerate it.

What sort of training have you done with him? Have you taking him to puppy school or obedience training? I would be enrolling him in training class ASAP, it will give him an opportunity to socialise with other dogs in a controlled manner and will teach him to have focus on you around other dogs.

To be honest I would be putting a lot of work into training him around other dogs and increasing his value of you. Often when I have Daisy around other dogs I will work on getting her focus on me, and playing a game with her so that she sees me as more exciting and she can learn to focus on me when other dogs are around. I would be reluctant to let him off leash until he has a better recall and you can call him away before he gets too rough.

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Another problem. He used to be an inside dog. But he proved to be very hard to toilet train so he was banned to being outside. Every now and then he is allowed in but almost every time, he does his business inside the house when the door is wide open for him to go outside.

He just did it then and I growled at him like i never have before and he scampered outside.
He is 3 months old! and still does this. How do i stop him from doing it inside?
Why did you yell at him when he doesn't know what he's done is wrong? From the sounds of it, you gave up toilet training him because it was too hard. This will sound harsh, but you need to remember it's not his fault you failed to teach him where to toilet.

Now you've put him outside permanently he's had no opportunity to learn where to toilet.

Next time he toilets inside take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head
I would be going back to basics and taking him outside to toilet on a schedule.

Take him out every hour on the hour, take him out when he wakes up from a sleep, after he's eaten or drunk water. Take him out after he's played. When you take him out to toilet give a cue command like 'go wees' or 'go toilet' so he learns to associate a command word with toileting. Give him lots of praise and a treat when he does toilet outside, and reiterate the command word. If you catch him toileting inside pick him up silently and put him outside, give him lots of praise for being in the right area.

Toilet training takes PATIENCE and consistency. It won't happen over night and it's up to you to teach him where to toilet. Punishing him for toileting inside will only teach him not to toilet in front of you, not that outside is where you want him to eliminate.

Thanks for the advice. I agree that I should be putting him through puppy school asap. However I have tried to toilet train him. The same way you have said. I did this for about a months and he still hadnt woken up to it.
And yes he did know what he had done wrong when I growled at him because I made sure I showed him before I did it. He sniffed it and everything. So he knew.

I have taught him the basics like sitting, coming, waiting etc. But also he is very good with his food and will sit and wait for a very long time with the food right in front of him. He will not touch it until i say the word 'eat'.
 

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You're on the right track, but he's still young and he's a beagle (stubborn and challenging to train). At 8 months we still keep piddle pads near the back door for Murphy just in case. 99% of the time he now lets us know he needs to go out. 1% he uses the piddle pad.

As far as the rough play-get him socialized as soon as possible. Murphy was the same at first, but changed and matured during puppy classes. We learned greetings, and he now greets properly.

Keep in mind he's only 12 weeks old (3 months). He's still very much a puppy.

Good Luck!
 

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I have a 15 week pup and we had a lot of accidents in the beginning, but it was our fault for not keeping an eye on him. Now he's gotten sneaky and goes down stairs and poops/pees and it gets found hours later...not cool, but we just really have to keep an eye on him.

As for being with other dogs, we don't have a dog park, but at our trailer park there are a tonne of dogs so he has had to learn to geet properly. At first he was very agressive and exuberant, but now he just waits patiently for the other dog to sniff him first and he intiates some play tentatively.

I have to concrete advice for you on either of your issues, other than to socialize your dog in a very controlled way...maybe it will help the rough play.
 

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I would try to tire him out as much as possible before taking him where other dogs will be. This may get out some of his more rambunctious behavior and mellow him a bit when he's around the others. Though, like others have said, puppy school really is the best answer for you.

About potty training, it took us months to train Duke. Vi was a rescue and trained when we got her, so we got lucky on that count. But it took a lot of patience and consistency to get Duke trained. He still has the occasional accident, but rarely.

Duke can lack manners at times, but I am fully aware that this is my fault, not his, because I haven't been as consistent as I should be in some areas. Banning your pup to outdoors isn't going to help anything and will only make him less socialized and have a negative effect on his manners. It will take work, but it is worth it. Good luck!
 

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Don't give up on the house training. It took us being really consistent and patient with Maggie from the time she was 8 weeks until she was 5 months. Some dogs catch on faster and some take longer. Three months is still very young.
 

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Puppy bladders and the muscles to control them aren't fully under a dog's control until they reach 4 to 6 months of age, I've read, so sometimes accidents can still happen just because they literally cannot help it. It's my opinion that puppies are like babies in a lot of ways - they need attention and help to learn. Dogs are not plug-and-play the moment they come home from the breeder or adoption place, as I told my boyfriend. But all it takes is some adjustments to your schedule and consistency, and you will be a lot happier, the dog will learn what pleases you and how to act, and you'll have a much happier coexistence. I hope the obedience and housebreaking start to go better soon! It is frustrating living with a rambunctious puppy that still has accidents, but things will get better. Just take lots of pictures, and the frustration will fade as you look back on that sweet puppy face.
 

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Taking him to the dog park when he is still acting like that is not the best idea. One of these days he is going to do that to the wrong dog and you will have a big problem on your hands. I would start out with dogs that you are familar with. If he is acting to rough with them remove him till he settles down.
 

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Thank you all for your great advice. You all must know exaclty what your talking about and I can't be ever more grateful.

I will get Max onto these new ideas asap.

I recently visited another forum called 'chazhound.com' or something of that nature. I posted the same problem and found that the people on there were insanely critical of me and Max.
Im not sure what it was but it sounded like there was alot of people claiming they knew alot when they really didnt.
Most of them demanded my respect and tried to be very intimidating when i tried to defend myself and Max.

I am fortunate to have finally found a great community of beagle/dog owners. I am proud to be a part of it.

 

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Thanks for the advice. I agree that I should be putting him through puppy school asap. However I have tried to toilet train him. The same way you have said. I did this for about a months and he still hadnt woken up to it.
And yes he did know what he had done wrong when I growled at him because I made sure I showed him before I did it. He sniffed it and everything. So he knew.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Dogs do not have the same logic that we do - if I came home and found Daisy had, for example, chewed my sock up, if I showed it to her and punished her she is not going to have a clue what I'm doing or why. That's how we think, it's not how dogs think. They don't have the ability to have the same thought processes we do so it does them a disservice to assume they are capable of the same thought patterns that we are.

You're in Australia, right? Me too
Which state are you in? I think consulting with a trainer or finding a really good obedience club will help you enormously in this instance.

The dog park is really not a place for a baby puppy, I unfortunately have a dog here who is now fear aggressive because he was attacked multiple times at the dog park. I would never take a pup there because they are often a target for older dogs - I think socialising your pup in a more controlled manner, like at puppy school and at a training club, will be much more beneficial for you as you can teach the pup the right way to behave around other dogs.

When it comes to toilet training unfortunately it's not something that happens easily or without patience or consistency from us. You can't blame the pup for not getting it by banishing him to live outside, that's not a life for a puppy and it's not a life for a pack orientated breed like a beagle. This is why going to puppy school or consulting with a trainer will be beneficial for you. A puppies bladder is not fully developed at six weeks or twelve weeks and they don't have the ability to hold their bladder - this too can play a part in toilet training. Don't give up yet
Raising a puppy is never easy!
 

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Oh I dont think I explained properly. I did growl at him straight after he did his business inside. So he did know.
I live in Brisbane at the moment
 

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Originally Posted By: EnigmaOh I dont think I explained properly. I did growl at him straight after he did his business inside. So he did know.
I live in Brisbane at the moment
Oh, me too! Northside or southside? There are tons of excellent obedience clubs around and I know a fair few great trainers and behaviourists too


As I said, the trouble you run into when you punish a dog for toileting inside is that you're essentially teaching them not to toilet in front of you - that's when people often say they start seeing their dogs become 'sneaky' and toileting when they aren't looking. All the dog has learned is that 'if I toilet in front of them they are going to hit/yell/growl at me' so they avoid doing so - they won't however avoid going inside the house. That's why it's so important you put the time in to teach the dog to toilet outside rather than simply punishing them.
 

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not sure weather it was wise or not, but it worked.
we kept bonnie and clyde in one area of the house(the pantry/kitchen area) that had vinyl floor. the only time they were allowed out in our living room or other living areas is if we were WATCHing them. this may sound crazy, but i think some of the best training was actually catching them going potty in the house, scooping them up saying NO!!and whisking them out the door to the potty spot, and saying GOOD POTTY!! and praising them. It took 6 mo at least before we would trust them.
and champ still has accidents, but mosly when half asleep.
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I am in South brisbane.
I am trying to post a photo of my little Max but im not sure how. can you please help?
 

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Originally Posted By: EnigmaI am in South brisbane.
I am trying to post a photo of my little Max but im not sure how. can you please help?
When you go to post, click on File Manager, and you can upload pics that way.

Alternatively you can upload your pics to Photobucket and post a link to them here


http://www.photobucket.com
 
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