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Molly's training progress

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Molly has been to 3 training sessions. Puppy biting is not as frequent, but leash chewing continues - two more leashes chewed through. She hates being on a house lead and always tries to turn it into tug games. She is very extroverted and interested in everything; wants to be the center of attention. At the second class, we had to sit far from the other dogs because Molly was being so disruptive. Now the trainer uses Molly as an example and that helps but treats are prolific with the trainer, so once she's had them she wants them throughout the whole class. After class she throws it all up. What a joy, lol. She regressed on "come", which was pretty solid but my fault for using it to get her in the area we keep gated. She's progressed on being touched and will let me examine her ears, mouth, eyes, belly and chest! Don't get near the tail, though! She's up to 20 lbs and a powerhouse, she can even pull my husband down the street. She continues to find it great fun to leap off anything far into the air. I was advised to try and hold this back until bones are fully developed. She's become very vocal and we're working on it. She's a champ with sit, give paw and down. Not so good with leave it. I'm training her to walk near the street on a halti leader because of the pulling and a tug gives me control of her eating everything. So progress! Her personality is as lovely as it is demonic! LOL.

By the way, Happy National Beagle day (tomorrow) to all the beagles and owners out there. Aroooo!
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The good old training days! We actually got one on one training for of our beagles because she was a rescue and very hard to manage. Sounds like she's getting too many treats or the wrong kind if she's getting sick. Can you bring treats that she's used to?
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All I can stress about training is that it is important to be consistent. Incorporate training into everything you do. Classes are great for exposure to other dogs and training with distractions. But the majority of training happens at home.
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We had to take our Phoebe to obedience classes as well. We rescued her, and for the first month or so she was an angel....but then she became completely uncontrollable. She wouldn't respond to our voices at all, wanted to chew everything, and also played crazy tug of war with the leash making out time a stressful experience.

First, one thing you can try with the tug of war problem - a product called Fooey. Our trainer recommended it. It's a bitter deterrent spray. When they start the tug of war, give them a quick spray of the Fooey in their mouth. Within two days, Phoebe stopped the tug of war. If she sees the bottle she stops her rowdy ways immediately. Most of the time she just walks like a good girl now.

We took general obedience classes with her once a week for seven weeks. It's been money well spent. You get out of it what you put in. We were diligent in training her 3 times a day for 15-20 minutes in between the group classes. Not only did it change her behavior 180 degrees, it also was a great bonding experience. Sit, down, place, come, heal - just basic commands and treat training for about a month and we had already seen her changing for the better. She actually loves training now, and I've taught her to play hide and seek in the house with me. It's how we end the training sessions.

She's now a well behaved happy girl, and my shadow.
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The first few weeks a dog is in a new home is called the honeymoon period. Then, their true colors start to show. 🤣

Obedience classes are also only as good as the trainer. I have had some that I really didn't like. At the end of the day, it is up to us how we want to train our dogs. If something happens in class that we are uncomfortable with, we need to speak up and not participate in that technique. I actually told Boh's trainer not to touch him. I didn't like her at all.

I remember our final class, our dogs were evaluated for what they had learned. It was clear that one owner did little outside training with his/her dog. That is the owners fault, not the dog's. The dog was a sweet lab. She was supposed to lie down. She clearly had no clue. Again, not the dog's fault. The trainer was rough with her, verbal, and forced her into a down. The poor dog was terrified and peed on the floor. I was livid. If she had done that to Boh, I might have been arrested. :mad:
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The good old training days! We actually got one on one training for of our beagles because she was a rescue and very hard to manage. Sounds like she's getting too many treats or the wrong kind if she's getting sick. Can you bring treats that she's used to?
I think it’s a combo of a too full stomach and car sick. The treats are what we give her at home, the trainers often have other things but we talked with them and now they’re giving her cheerios (she loves them). They were giving her meat (high value). She’s ok going down in the light but it’s dark on the return and she naps. Last week we stopped half way and waited 15 min and she got just a tiny bit sick.
We had to take our Phoebe to obedience classes as well. We rescued her, and for the first month or so she was an angel....but then she became completely uncontrollable. She wouldn't respond to our voices at all, wanted to chew everything, and also played crazy tug of war with the leash making out time a stressful experience.

First, one thing you can try with the tug of war problem - a product called Fooey. Our trainer recommended it. It's a bitter deterrent spray. When they start the tug of war, give them a quick spray of the Fooey in their mouth. Within two days, Phoebe stopped the tug of war. If she sees the bottle she stops her rowdy ways immediately. Most of the time she just walks like a good girl now.

We took general obedience classes with her once a week for seven weeks. It's been money well spent. You get out of it what you put in. We were diligent in training her 3 times a day for 15-20 minutes in between the group classes. Not only did it change her behavior 180 degrees, it also was a great bonding experience. Sit, down, place, come, heal - just basic commands and treat training for about a month and we had already seen her changing for the better. She actually loves training now, and I've taught her to play hide and seek in the house with me. It's how we end the training sessions.

She's now a well behaved happy girl, and my shadow.
I’ve had successes with formal group training in the past also so I knew I wanted to enroll her in this particular program because I like their methods. I constantly put to use everything so it’s reinforced. I also wanted to make sure I was going it right since it’s been over 20 years since I had a puppy, I’m rusty! Plus I’ve never had such a strong-willed, energetic pup before her. Another class tonight, it’s our 4th of 6 so we hit the halfway mark. There are only 3 other dogs so quite a lot of personal help! Molly is just going to keep pushing the limits, so I have to stay vigilant! She’s been doing much better in walks this week and we haven’t done leash walking yet. Yay!
The first few weeks a dog is in a new home is called the honeymoon period. Then, their true colors start to show. 🤣

Obedience classes are also only as good as the trainer. I have had some that I really didn't like. At the end of the day, it is up to us how we want to train our dogs. If something happens in class that we are uncomfortable with, we need to speak up and not participate in that technique. I actually told Boh's trainer not to touch him. I didn't like her at all.

I remember our final class, our dogs were evaluated for what they had learned. It was clear that one owner did little outside training with his/her dog. That is the owners fault, not the dog's. The dog was a sweet lab. She was supposed to lie down. She clearly had no clue. Again, not the dog's fault. The trainer was rough with her, verbal, and forced her into a down. The poor dog was terrified and peed on the floor. I was livid. If she had done that to Boh, I might have been arrested. :mad:
Oh my! This place only used positive reinforcement. We use treats to lure them into position and reward them for even little successes.
Obedience classes are also only as good as the trainer. I have had some that I really didn't like. At the end of the day, it is up to us how we want to train our dogs. If something happens in class that we are uncomfortable with, we need to speak up and not participate in that technique. I actually told Boh's trainer not to touch him. I didn't like her at all.
I agree. Luckily for us our trainer was fantastic. She would demonstrate the techniques/lesson on her own dog in class for starters. She rarely if ever handled other people's dogs, but was very observant and would give individual attention to some of the folks who looked they were struggling or didn't fully grasp the concepts. Each week we she would email out a package with all of the information from the lesson with other things to take notice of with the dogs behavior. Everything was very positive, never any rough handling. By the end of the course, you could see a positive change even in the dogs who had started out the most unruly.

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, but after having such a good experience - it's really all about training the owners to train the dog. There's the lesson in class, then there is the training which is all on the owner. Also, beagles are still going to be beagles sometimes!
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We learned some tips about walking on a lead last night and some actually worked with Molly today! She’s a puller, so I (tried) to keep her focus always on me, and rewarded her each time she looked at me. Was going great right up until we heard what sounded like gunshots. She has only been afraid of a loud thunderstorm but this sound really gave her a fright. We were halfway around the block and it spooked her to when she wanted to run. She didn’t shake or drool but I’m glad she never will be a hunting dog!
Oh my! This place only used positive reinforcement. We use treats to lure them into position and reward them for even little successes.
I am by no means a positive only trainer. I think, just like children, dogs need to hear NO! and be corrected. The trainer in Boh's class, however, was way out of line. Again, as with children, I would never allow anyone else to put hands on my child, or my dog. In training Natty Boh, I used a portion of his meal, kibble, for treats. Since beags tend to get chunky, I wanted to keep the calories down. I wasn't adding any calories by using part of his dinner. The kibble is small, but I still did not treat for every correct behavior. Boh has to perform multiple commands and/or tricks for one treat. But he loves it. He is a natural performer. LOL!
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I accidentally posted this separately and can’t put it as a reply to Natty Boh using my phone - so I edited it to say this, lol.
I agree that there is a time for correction, Molly ignores “no”. My biggest need was leash walking and puppy biting - especially clothes as she goes for clothes when she wants attention, which is 100% of time she is not sleeping-e.g. right now as I am typing this!. She is still biting, so all the substitutions training hasn’t worked and we practice constantly. Nor does drop it or leave it unless I have treats. I have had success with the leash using treats - I had to move up to chicken as a treat for this. Normally I use kibble until the class; she wouldn’t respond to kibble, I bought other treats also that didn’t work -too much distraction; they overdo the treats IMHO. We landed on Cheerios but I do use some chicken now when she’s very distracted. At home, kibble still works, except on walks. In the end, I’ll pick and choose what works. It’s a journey!
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I truly believe constant, consistent reinforcement is the key to beagle training. Not one day can you ever waver from that. Give an inch and they will snuffle a mile. My boy Oliver loved his treats. But a micro treat. It didn’t matter what we did he understood and could exploit it for more treats. God I miss his humor. Every single beagle I got second hand(or third,fourth,fifth) has hand gun/thunder issues. I have a very deep closet with a dog bed for them. It is a safe place should they want to hide. Almost all like to snuggle under the covers with me. My b/t coonhound had it the worst.
I’ve become very discerning of dog trainers. Lots say a lot of things but few actually spend the time actually watching the behaviors and knowing how to correctly address the issues. Be very careful who you pick as a trainer.
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I truly believe constant, consistent reinforcement is the key to beagle training. Not one day can you ever waver from that. Give an inch and they will snuffle a mile. My boy Oliver loved his treats. But a micro treat. It didn’t matter what we did he understood and could exploit it for more treats. God I miss his humor. Every single beagle I got second hand(or third,fourth,fifth) has hand gun/thunder issues. I have a very deep closet with a dog bed for them. It is a safe place should they want to hide. Almost all like to snuggle under the covers with me. My b/t coonhound had it the worst.
I’ve become very discerning of dog trainers. Lots say a lot of things but few actually spend the time actually watching the behaviors and knowing how to correctly address the issues. Be very careful who you pick as a trainer.
I truly believe constant, consistent reinforcement is the key to beagle training. Not one day can you ever waver from that. Give an inch and they will snuffle a mile. My boy Oliver loved his treats. But a micro treat. It didn’t matter what we did he understood and could exploit it for more treats. God I miss his humor. Every single beagle I got second hand(or third,fourth,fifth) has hand gun/thunder issues. I have a very deep closet with a dog bed for them. It is a safe place should they want to hide. Almost all like to snuggle under the covers with me. My b/t coonhound had it the worst.
I’ve become very discerning of dog trainers. Lots say a lot of things but few actually spend the time actually watching the behaviors and knowing how to correctly address the issues. Be very careful who you pick as a trainer.
i went back and read a lot of the posts on training in this forum. I feel a lot better now about Molly’s progress. She is strong and strong willed, easily distracted and it’s just going to take her time. I think because I had such great successes before with training classes, I went in with too high expectations. I emailed the trainer about why we moved closer to the group the last time - back in the “isolation” area I couldn’t hear her at all. So when we moved closer they put a portable fence between us and everyone else. This did nothing to curb her distractions. She wants to be the center of attention (I have a true Diva and a drama queen). When they use her to demonstrate she is totally happy and behaved. When they use a different dog, she’s bonkers. I totally get that they demonstrate with all of them and it’s a good exercise for Molly to see it’s not always about her. We have class tonight, last week we limited the “heavy” treats and she didn’t get carsick on the way home. We have 2 dedicated training sessions a day plus reinforced throughout the day in everything we do. She is not as food motivated as my other beagle and beagle mix, if she wants something no treat (not even cooked chicken, which seems to be her favorite so far) distracts her. I wish I had access to an empty building where we could work - even the house has its distractions (a wall, a step, anything is a distraction to Molly)! I am not truly impressed with the trainers, although at least they are gentle and not rough with the dogs. I’m disappointed in the puppy play time, Molly has been paired with a very shy Corgie and it’s geared to distracting Molly with a toy so the Corgi can approach Molly, so there has been no interaction for her. They urged me to find a playmate for her. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
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