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A couple of months ago I sent an e-mail to Iams telling them that I would no longer feed my dog thier treats and I got an e-mail from them this morning. What do you think? The letter that I sent them is at the bottom.

Dear Brandy,

You have run across some sensational and inaccurate information that first was introduced more than four years ago.

Let me show you our facilities and policies regarding animal welfare by linking you to: www.IamsTruth.com. You'll notice that:

* We only do testing in one of three places: our Iams Pet Health & Nutrition Center, in the homes of volunteer pet families, or in places where pets already have a home, such as a service dog organization that raises puppies for placement with those in need.

* More than 70 percent of those studies are done in-home.

* We're also investing heavily in alternatives programs that will allow us to reach our goal of reducing feeding studies that need to take place outside of pets' homes.

* We have an International Animal Care Advisory Board made up of experts in animal welfare from around the world, including the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Animals (ASPCA). These respected individuals have provided advice that has helped us create the caring home that you see pictured in photos and video on our site, and they hold the authority to conduct unannounced inspections there at any time to provide assurance that we are following our policy they helped create.

Caring feeding studies help us assure pet lovers that we can provide nutrition that delivers on the key health care benefits that we declare on every product package. We take the same amount of care with our ingredients, our recipes and our manufacturing processes. If you have been confused or troubled about the industry's recent ingredient issues with processed vegetable proteins from China (wheat gluten, rice protein concentrate and corn gluten), you can rest easy that the Iams and Eukanuba products on retailers' shelves do not contain these ingredients from China. Animal protein is the basis of our diets because veterinarians agree that dogs and cats are best fed as carnivores. For more information on the steps we take to assure quality, go to www.IamsPromise.com or www.EukanubaPromise.com.

Sincerely,
Karen
Consumer Relations
P&G Pet Care


I recently discovered that your company tests on animals and keeps these poor dogs in horrible conditions. I feed my 10 month old Beagle Iams puppy biscuits but this will stop immediately. I cannot support cruelty to animals. I know that I am only one person but I seriously hope that you take my boycott into consideration and give these wonderful animals good homes where they will recieve the quality of life that they deserve. I don't know how anyone with a heart and a conscience could work for such a barbaric company.
 

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I think it's a huge crock of .....

Take a look at the promise site, they say that they promise the best quality vet recomended food. Give me a break. Have you ever looked at their list of ingredients? It is all fillers and garbage.

I absolutely hate Iams as you an likely tell so I guess I have a biased opinion.
 

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crock of...dog poop from a dog that as been fed Iams dog food ? :biglaugh:

I agree completely agree with Spencer's Mum. I compare dog food ingredients all the time! Have you actually really looked at the ingredients in their dog food? Seriously on their own website look what they list for ingredients for their lamb meal and rice dry dog food:
http://us.iams.com/iams/en_US/jsp/IAMS_Page.jsp?pageID=PL&productID=19
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I would be interested to know what she says about where these apparently horrible inaccurate lies came from if Iams is such a wonderful company which so much care and concern about the health and welfare of dogs.

Quote:Originally posted by Spencer's Mum:
I think it's a huge crock of .....

Take a look at the promise site, they say that they promise the best quality vet recomended food. Give me a break. Have you ever looked at their list of ingredients? It is all fillers and garbage.

I absolutely hate Iams as you an likely tell so I guess I have a biased opinion.
 

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I was surprised to get a response from them but I knew they would deny all allegations. I keep thinking that if they are such a wonderful and animal-loving company, then why are there so many published accounts of cruelty by Iams? Animal rights groups wouldn't accuse an innocent company of cruelty.
 

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It's not like they would ever admit it though. Like they would ever say "Ya, we torture beagles all them time. They spend their lives in cages being poked and proded their whole lives." No one would ever buy their food so I guess they just try to deny it but they can never really prove it to be wrong.
 

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The fact they replied, means they are worried about public opinion. Lets hope the investigators keep on getting informers on the inside. At present I wouldnt buy IAMS. The same with Proctor and Gamble. I wrote and asked them if they used animals for testing. They said no cruelty took place, but it is a known fact that cruelty does take place. It is up to our governments to ban animal research. Unfortunately they do just the opposite and demand that all medicine be tested on animals.
 

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Quote:Originally posted by Katrena:
I think it would be silly to ban animal research--especially on food and products consumed by animals.
So you think it's ok for a company to cage beagles their whole lives and cut chunks out of their muscle? To leave them laying there when they can barely move? Because that is what Iams did, there was video on it.

I do not condone animal research in any way other than free feeding in the home, never in a research lab. And even then, there have been cases where they will starve the dog for a few days then feed the food to them and see what happens. It's not right. Animals do not have a voice to fight, so we have to fight for them.
 

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Quote:Originally posted by Spencer's Mum:
Quote:Originally posted by Katrena:
I think it would be silly to ban animal research--especially on food and products consumed by animals.
So you think it's ok for a company to cage beagles their whole lives and cut chunks out of their muscle? To leave them laying there when they can barely move? Because that is what Iams did, there was video on it.

I do not condone animal research in any way other than free feeding in the home, never in a research lab. And even then, there have been cases where they will starve the dog for a few days then feed the food to them and see what happens. It's not right. Animals do not have a voice to fight, so we have to fight for them.
oh boy, here we go.
ive never heard the story behind this animal testing from this company. but we really gotta becareful about what we hear and where it came from. i know animal testing happens, and i do think its wrong. i do also agree with the fact WE are the voices for the animals of the world.
we honestly should be screaming at this point, but few really are. my case in point is this.
i belong to another forum on the net. there was a thing going around about the toyota hybrid cars.
this thing was all over the net too. some of you might have seen it. it was toyota hybrid vs the hummer. it was about how bad the hybrid really was for the enviroment vs how good the hummer really was. the biggest point was how the battery that runs the car is a nickle product and all the enviromental damage around these nickle mines.
which is true. the nickle mines have miles of dead earth,plants, and animals around there locations. very very toxic stuff. the author claimed that toyota was at fault for all this mess
and ect ect ect. well a activest on the sight was really ripping up toyota and so was everybody else
reading his claims. what he didnt realize is that i work for toyota. his claims about all the damage are correct. but he blamed toyota for this due to their batteries. i had to shut the conversation down at this point. i informed everybody that toy didnt make the batteries, infact they are supplied by panasonic. and his claim on nickle was correct, but i again informed folks that nickle is in just about every metal we come in contact with, even in our own homes.
well a month ago, the guy that started this very damaging email and case report was located. he said he wrote the report because his college prof. drove a toy hybrid and that he himself drove a hummer. there was a report done by this guys group on the damage done by modern automobiles to the planet. the prof failed the groups report due to the lack of evidence to support their project. my point, dont believe everything you hear about a company. its pretty easy for a EX employee to do damage because something didnt go their way. the net is an easy tool to get the damage done. im not saying that they are not guilty of animal testing ok, but theres ways to find out for ourselves, and to look deeper into the claims. if this is true, the PETA website im sure will talk about this or at least have a listing on it. if its found to be true then folks need to stop buying their products. w/o $$ they cant do their testing.
 

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Actually, it was a PETA volunteer that went undercover into the IAMS labs to see the conditions for herself. That is what started the public outcry in the first place. The fact that they were mostly beagles has hit home for a lot of beagle owners and I have personally educated quite a few new ones on the upside of a better quality food.

I received the exact same response so it is a form email and not a real response. Word for word. I haven't purchased Iams products for so many years and have really done my best not to purchase any P&G products at all. I don't believe the iamstruth self serving nonsense and usually don't believe most of what PETA says too, but if even half of what they are saying is going on it is too horrifying to comprehend.
 

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Just to set the record straight, P&G purchased Iams only a few years ago, so any allegations before that would not be the responsibility of P&G. You really have to be careful to look to the source of your information. ANYTHING that PETA has to do with I am immediately suspect of. Just because they SAY that is where the "videa" came from, doesn't mean it is true.
I have to come clean and say that I am a former P&G employee and my husband still works there. I do not like Imas, I think it smells awful. That aside, I can tell you that P&G is all about quality and profit, and ANYTHING that does not contribute directly to profit, they simply do not do. Animal testing in any form is expensive. That taps the bottom line, so if they can eliminate that expense, they will do so, especially for such an emotionally charged subject. You can kvetch about the ingredients all you want, some of the complaints may be true, especially in the light of the last dog food recall, when many major brands had to reveal that they used the same production contract makers as the generics.
Several years ago a local petshop urged people to boycott P&G because a scrubbie they made poisoned fish. How did they find this out? Why, the internet, of course! P&G DOES NOT MAKE ANY SCRUBBIES by ANY of their companies. We also do not worship the devil, Our corporate logo is not a satanic sign, and I am sick and tired of PETA. amway, or any other group going underground and taking potshots at any company that doesn't goose step to their agenda. Criticize the product if you don't like it, thats fine. But don't believe everything you hear, especially on the internet.
 

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There's a saying that goes with any news whether it be sourced from newspapers, TV or the internet which is,

"if you only believe a quarter of what you read and half of what you see you are someway to discovering the truth"

I'm totally against animal testing but well aware that it goes on and I know without a doubt that I have many products in my home that have been tested on animals.

But, there are instances when animal testing is necessary. Drugs needed to save lives are first tested on animals. All the everyday drugs we take like painkillers, cold remedies, antihistamines etc. have all been tested on animals at some stage but that doesn't stop us taking them.

My question really is are these animals treated cruelly or humanely and what are the alternatives to animal testing.
 

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Quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
There's a saying that goes with any news whether it be sourced from newspapers, TV or the internet which is,

"if you only believe a quarter of what you read and half of what you see you are someway to discovering the truth"

I'm totally against animal testing but well aware that it goes on and I know without a doubt that I have many products in my home that have been tested on animals.

But, there are instances when animal testing is necessary. Drugs needed to save lives are first tested on animals. All the everyday drugs we take like painkillers, cold remedies, antihistamines etc. have all been tested on animals at some stage but that doesn't stop us taking them.

My question really is are these animals treated cruelly or humanely and what are the alternatives to animal testing.
ditto to that

We are complaining that not enough research were done on all medications and were pushed out to the market, then WE are the guinea pig. After certain years, oops recall! Sometimes it is too late already, like the vioxx, advandia and many more.
What can we do, do more research in order to save life of a human being, this can be ourselves or our love ones.
 

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Why don't we do our research on the moron killers and child rapists who are sitting in Jail on a life sentence? Oh wait, because that would be cruel right?

No, instead we educate them so that if they ever get out, they have a full degree for free. There's a great justice system for ya. LOL

If the testing is done in order to save lives, that's one thing but when you are pouring bleach in the eyes of an animal to see what happens, I do not agree with that. I think it is common sense that it would burn.
 

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Actually, P&G bought Iams 8 years ago before any of the allegations. I also know from personal experience it was the absolute end of Iams being a premium dog food almost immediately. Their response video is ludicrous in the extreme and I don't actually believe either side of the PETA vs. Iams debate. The truth is definitly somewhere in the middle and even at that I find it horrific.
 

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Quote:Originally posted by Charlie mom:
Quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
There's a saying that goes with any news whether it be sourced from newspapers, TV or the internet which is,

"if you only believe a quarter of what you read and half of what you see you are someway to discovering the truth"

I'm totally against animal testing but well aware that it goes on and I know without a doubt that I have many products in my home that have been tested on animals.

But, there are instances when animal testing is necessary. Drugs needed to save lives are first tested on animals. All the everyday drugs we take like painkillers, cold remedies, antihistamines etc. have all been tested on animals at some stage but that doesn't stop us taking them.

My question really is are these animals treated cruelly or humanely and what are the alternatives to animal testing.
ditto to that

We are complaining that not enough research were done on all medications and were pushed out to the market, then WE are the guinea pig. After certain years, oops recall! Sometimes it is too late already, like the vioxx, advandia and many more.
What can we do, do more research in order to save life of a human being, this can be ourselves or our love ones.
EVERY drug approved for human use by the FDA has to be shown to be safe in animal studies.

Vioxx and other COX-2 drugs were well tested, and actually had a heart-protective effect in mice and other animals. Which is exactly the opposite of how the drugs later performed in humans.

What about all the drugs (fenfluramine and dexfenfluramine, Opren, Cylert, etc. etc. etc.) that tested fine on animals, but killed or hurt humans? What about the fact that heart bypass surgery was shelved for years due to it not working on dogs? We can cure cancer in mice, but not humans?

Animals are not human!

Am I completely against all animal testing? No, but it's done much more than is needed.
 
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