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I recently adopted a sweet little puppy. The problem is his skin. He has flaky skin,yet his fur feels greasy. We recently changed his food. We did a slow switch, and I thought the food change would be good, but now I'm not so sure. I have been scared to bath him because I really don't want to dry out his skin. So does anyone have suggestion for his itchy flaky skin?
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How old is the pup? What are you feeding him? I think I would probably get some good oatmeal puppy shampoo and try a bath for him. This is just MY opinion, but I doubt that 1 bath would do too much damage to his skin. If you don't mind I'll check with my friend Deb, who is a "groomer" - as well as being a breeder, and extremely knowledgeable about "critters". Will get back to you after I hear from her.
 

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I'm not sure about that but I have heard that bathing your dog too much can cause him to smell bad. Our climate here is so dry that our vet said to bath him once a month and only if he needs it. Have you checked with his vet?
 

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My impression from the post is that the pup had NOT been bathed - and yes, <u>too much bathing </u>can dry out their skin and isn't good for them. But if one of my dogs had "greasy" fur and flaky skin, I would certainly give him a bath first. I have ten beagles and RARELY bathe any of them - and they all have shiny soft fur and no "flakes" - but if they do get into something they do get a bath with a mild oatmeal shampoo. By all means a vet visit is in order. The skin problems can be caused by any number of things, including food allergies. I've never had this kind of problem with any of my beagles - so have no first hand experience. Good luck!
 

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thanks for the suggestions everyone. The puppy is 17 weeks old. He was bathed by a groomer last week when we brought him home. He was checked by our vet who said he was perfectly heathly. We switched from science diet(what the shelter fed) to canidae. I'm more then open to food suggestions, but I have always had good luck with canidae with my other dog.
 

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If he was on Science Diet that could be part of the problem - for a premium food it has a BAD "grade" - corn and wheat are major allergens for many dogs. I did post a "report card" for dog foods and SD gets an "F" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rotatesmiley2.gif For a so-called "premium food" (which is sold by many vets - it's pretty scary!

I've posted your problem on my beagle group - it's not something I have personal experience with - but I know there are people on my group who have had problems with "skin" and allergies in their beagles. No responses yet - but will check back in when I get home from work and post any suggestions.

If the pup was "greasy" after being "bathed" by the groomer, it's possible she used a "conditioner" that left the fur feeling greasy - or perhaps the pup wasn't rinsed well. Just a thought.
 

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Here's the "dog food report card" - Candidae has a GOOD grade.

Start with a grade of 100:

For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points!
For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat) reference, subtract 10 points!
If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points
For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points!
If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points
If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points
If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil,subtract 2 points
If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic to other protein sources), subtract 2 points
If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to wheat), subtract 2 points
If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to beef), subtract 1 point
If it contains salt, subtract 1 point


Extra Credit:

If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or nutritionist, add 5 points
If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points
If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points
If the food contains barley, add 2 points
If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points
If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "beef" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free, add 1 point


Grading:

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
69 and below = F
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Here are some foods that have already been scored.

Dog Food scores:

Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 A
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland/(that would be from Costco/Price Club) Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural Choice Chicken, Rice, and Oatmeal/ Score 94 A
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Ol Roy Premium Dog Food / Score 53 F
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Benful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
 

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Here's a reply from one of my Beagle Bay members - who has a lot of beagle experience.


the puppy no doubt needs a nice warm bath. Vets sell a dermat....(I don't know how to spell it) especially for skin problems or like you said Glenda an oatmeal based shampoo.
I would suggest that they read the label carefully to ensure there are no harsh ingredients.

As you know I am a great supported of Vit E. and give it to my boys at least once a week it wouldn't hurt

I have also been know to give them cod liver oil

Will post the others as they become available.
 

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Some quick comments. The Bagel lives in a dry climate and has had one bath in the last three years. He thrives on regular Purina Pedigree which I'm sure doesn't pass any of Beaglesmom's tests but that has been the mainstay of his diet for the ten years he's lived with me and he is very very healthy for a 14/15 year dog. I would add an egg to your pups weekly diet, Bagel gets one with some cheese every weekend when we fetch breakfast at McDonalds. One last comment, at 17 weeks, your pup is still growing and has different nutritional needs than those found in any adult dog food.
 

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Rosa went through a stage of having very flaky skin. It was like dandruff, horrid.

I gave her a bath with shampoo specifically for flaky skin and added one cod liver oil capsule to her dinner every day and she's all back to normal now.
 

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Originally Posted By: bob One last comment, at 17 weeks, your pup is still growing and has different nutritional needs than those found in any adult dog food.
From my understanding canidae is an all lifestages food. Should I look for something that is a puppy forumla instead of all life stages??
I picked up some gentle oatmeal puppy shampoo.
I will definatly look into adding Vit. E, and cod liver oil.
 

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When Chloe was 17 weeks old, until she was about 5 months, she wa on Canidae, and I might get her back on it when she is fed up with Wellness (which is also all life stages). Canidae is a very good food, has a very similar ingredient composition to Wellness and is cheaper. If he is okay with Canidae, stay with it. I would suggest, as Bob suggested, one egg per week. Also, you can occasionally add a spoon of raw tahini to his food, warm water (just a little bit to get all the oils out of the food) and rosemary oil which helps the coat and skin.

The weather is crazy all over, which could explain the dandruff.
 

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Originally Posted By: mylovemydog
Originally Posted By: bob One last comment, at 17 weeks, your pup is still growing and has different nutritional needs than those found in any adult dog food.
From my understanding canidae is an all lifestages food....
I'm sorry, I never heard of an all lifestages dog food before. I wouldn't have thought that was possible as if it has everything a growing puppy needs, I would have thought it had too much protien for an adult. You can teach an old dog (and man) new things. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif
 

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My beags have gone thru stages of dry skin and flaky stuff throughout weather changes too. Iowa is known for ALL seasons (and some days you see all 4 seasons in one day!) so I can see why its tough on them too.

I do have a question for the posters regarding the Vit E and other oils---- Do you just buy human vitamins then in the vitamin section? Then open them up and put it on their food? I am just curious how that works, or do you go all out and spend the big $ and get it from a vet or petmeds.com type place.
Just curious!
Judi
 

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Here are some comments from members of my beagle group - Deb is the co-manager - and also is a groomer.

This one is from Tonya - who's husband raises and trains championship field beagles.
"sometimes when we bring in adult dogs they will have dry skin.. we bring them in.. and soak them with baby oil and rub it in .. let it sit for 5 mins.. them give them a nice long warm bath with puppy oatmeal shampoo.. rub everything in real good.. it seems to work pretty good here.
really rubbing everything in will loosen the flaky skin and get some of it removed ... ".


The one below is from Deb -

From: V-0-M1 Sent: 3/7/2008 4:59 PM
"We get a lot of calls of this sort at the shop. What kind of food switch did they do? A lot of people think that switching from Ole Roy to Benaful is all it takes...when truth is one isn't better then the other.
If we have a dog come in with this problem at the shop, we would give them a bath with oatmeal and teatree oil shampoo, and include reconditioner in the bath, followed by a 10 minute hot oil treatment. My own kids go in to the shop all the time for hot oil treatments..but they get a neem bath with reconditioner followed with hot oil.
There is no quick fix for it...benadryl will make him feel better so he isn't chewing himself. Could be the food...even a good chicken and rice food if the dog is allergic to chicken isn't good. They may want to look for the cause of the problem while trying to make him more comfortable.
Deb "

I hope some of this is useful.

By the way, Bob, I can't take credit for the "dog food list" - I just shared it.
 

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Okay...here's my 2 cents worth. I have never added any vitamins to my dog's food (with the exception of a pregnant female) nor have I bought anything special like cod liver oil. My vet suggested adding a small amount of vegetable oil to their food when they have occasionally had a bout of dry skin and it seems to work great.

Also since you mentioned that the pup had a bath at the breeder's last week I would assume that means this change in food has been within the last week as well. You may want to give it a few weeks before getting too worried. Changes don't happen overnight.

You've received some great suggestions so far. Try them and see what works for you.

Good luck with your new pup.
 
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