We started Griff in the crate the first night, that was hard because he used to have his brothers with him all the time and free reign to to whatever, but after about a week he settled into a routine, potty before bed, the dad gets home about 330 and he lets him out, without fail he wakes up at 7 but he sometimes can get back to sleep until about 9. He doesnt potty in his kennel at all.