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Oh wow that is so rude, my beagles are far from stupid .
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He is NOT stupid!
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I have several friends with border collies and I am fully convinced that my Bagel is far more intelligent than them however as you say if your IQ test is based on will you learn and perform silly tricks for you the human rather than what makes the most sense for me the canine, then Border Collies rank at the top and our beloved beagles don't even get honorable mention. Several years ago some one tried to test which of the two top breeds a border collie and a full sized poodle could perform a series of test involving memory and boxes and treats and he used his beagle as a control subject. The results was the Border Collie could learn and remember the tricks a little better than the Poodle, but the beagle, often breaking the silly buman imposed rules like not just ripping the box to get to the treat actually won the contest by getting the most treats using beagle rules, not humans rules. When a canine breed has been bred for 100's of generations to be independent thinkers, one must judge them on those independent standards of intelligence, not on our self imposed human standards.
A female beagle (a male also) can be trained find bed bugs with their noses, <span style="font-weight: bold">Caesar's Mom</span> could have simply asked this lady is she could detect bed bugs in house (with her nose) and when she replied no, she could have said, <span style="font-style: italic">by your standard your not nearly as smart as a beagle bitch</span> and if she didn't hestitate too much, or emphasize the last word too loud, she could have maintained her dignity with a smirk!
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People like that give humans a bad name. I wonder how her stupid beagles are treated at home.
It's probably better that you didn't let her draw you into an argument, Brandy. Trash like that can be dangerous.
~Denise
AND PS...Caesar is smart and handsome!!
It's probably better that you didn't let her draw you into an argument, Brandy. Trash like that can be dangerous.
~Denise
AND PS...Caesar is smart and handsome!!
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My first thought too!
~Denise
well lets not bash border collies now, i've seen some INCREDIBLY independent thinking from them. for example my scottish friend's parents in scotland, farm still and they send out their border collie to heard the sheep......alone. yes alone. and he has to resolve problems as they arise while he's hearding them across the fields etc. that takes independent thinking in my eyes, to be able to access a problem fix it and continue with your objective, of man handling 100+ sheep across a few hills alone. big ups to them.
i do agree beagles arent the smartest when it comes to learning tricks but they weren't bred to do that either.. i've had other breeds that were just brilliant at picking up things and applying concepts to wat they were doing. Beagles just have a different mentality.
that being said i love my ted and i wouldnt' change him for anything.
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i do agree beagles arent the smartest when it comes to learning tricks but they weren't bred to do that either.. i've had other breeds that were just brilliant at picking up things and applying concepts to wat they were doing. Beagles just have a different mentality.
that being said i love my ted and i wouldnt' change him for anything.
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I don't even think that makes them stupid. It just makes them stubborn. LOL
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Thanks everyone...I knew you would all share my frustration.
We have Caesar in a tracking class and he is by far the star student! It doesn't mean that the other dogs are stupid, but beagles were breed to follow their noses. Also, I had him at my sisters house with me a couple of years ago and she said that Caesar was creeping her out because he constantly watched her. She said it was like he was trying to figure out everything she did, like open the fridge. They're smart little problem solvers.
We have Caesar in a tracking class and he is by far the star student! It doesn't mean that the other dogs are stupid, but beagles were breed to follow their noses. Also, I had him at my sisters house with me a couple of years ago and she said that Caesar was creeping her out because he constantly watched her. She said it was like he was trying to figure out everything she did, like open the fridge. They're smart little problem solvers.
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When Jersey was a puppy she loved to chew shoes but she'd get in trouble every time she stole one. One day she was chewing her blanket. I went to check on her and found a shoe UNDER the blanket. I guess she thought if she hid the shoe she wouldn't get in trouble. On another occasion she stole one of Mike's sneakers. She was just a puppy, maybe 12 weeks old at the time. Mike wears a size 13 sneaker so the shoe was as big as Jersey was at the time. She ran with it in her mouth and went to hide in her crate. Well, the shoe was too big to fit through the opening to her puppy crate. She hit the front of the crate with a crash. She sat down, shook her head out, went in the crate and pulled the shoe in after her. She was so cute and so smart that I almost let her keep the shoe. LOL!
Part of the problem is that people like to make generalizations based on one or two examples.
For example, our neighbors have 2 blue heelers and a fence separates our properties. Our Saint Bernard used to walk over to the fence, then start running the length of the fence barking. She would get the blue heelers so wound up that they'd start fighting with each other. Our Saint would then trot away with her tail in the air just as proud as can be while the blue heelers were left fighting one another.
If I didn't know they were working cattle dogs I'd think they were pretty stupid and our Saint was smart. But knowing what they can do when they're working makes me realize that they're pretty smart in different ways, and our Saint simply had a wicked sense of humor
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I think the same goes with Beagles. A lot have been owned by people who don't understand the Beagle mentality and don't know how to take advantage of it. So when the dog doesn't do what the owner thinks it should do, the dog is automatically stupid. If I would have gotten a Beagle without properly researching and trying to understand the breed, I would not have been prepared to teach Murphy in the manner that suits him; instead I would have tried to train him as I have dogs in the past. I'm not sure I would have had as much success as I've had so far. But in that instance the fault (stupidity if you will) would have been mine, not Murphy's.
For example, our neighbors have 2 blue heelers and a fence separates our properties. Our Saint Bernard used to walk over to the fence, then start running the length of the fence barking. She would get the blue heelers so wound up that they'd start fighting with each other. Our Saint would then trot away with her tail in the air just as proud as can be while the blue heelers were left fighting one another.
If I didn't know they were working cattle dogs I'd think they were pretty stupid and our Saint was smart. But knowing what they can do when they're working makes me realize that they're pretty smart in different ways, and our Saint simply had a wicked sense of humor
I think the same goes with Beagles. A lot have been owned by people who don't understand the Beagle mentality and don't know how to take advantage of it. So when the dog doesn't do what the owner thinks it should do, the dog is automatically stupid. If I would have gotten a Beagle without properly researching and trying to understand the breed, I would not have been prepared to teach Murphy in the manner that suits him; instead I would have tried to train him as I have dogs in the past. I'm not sure I would have had as much success as I've had so far. But in that instance the fault (stupidity if you will) would have been mine, not Murphy's.
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Ya know, in many states hunting deer with dogs is no longer legal. Know why? Beagles were so darn good at it that it was lowering the deer populations more than they wanted to!! IDK if that is the absolute truth, but that is what I have heard many, many times! It's all about what a dog is bred to do, right?
I can't believe just how rude some people can be regardless of the fact they think Beagles are stupid. You just don't go up to someone and say that do you!
Someone upset me today actually. I saw a man walking his dog who I haven't seen for ages. He said to me is that a replacement? and I'm thinking what is he talking about. He realised my confusion so he pointed to Sherry and said that, is it a replacement for the one that died like Lilly was a piece of furniture that you just replace
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what an idiot.
Someone upset me today actually. I saw a man walking his dog who I haven't seen for ages. He said to me is that a replacement? and I'm thinking what is he talking about. He realised my confusion so he pointed to Sherry and said that, is it a replacement for the one that died like Lilly was a piece of furniture that you just replace
That is awful! None of us has ever replaced a dog! We have opened up out heart to a new family member. I remember that you lost your Lilly about the same time I lost my Fleagle and I know you were as low as I was then. I have trouble even understanding people like that. Sometimes I do not know wether to feel sorry for them or get angry.
The people two doors down from us have a boarder collie. She roams the neighborhood with a stick or pine cone in her mouth, looking for someone to play fetch with her. When our 4 yr old Sadie was very small, we started letting Sassy inside our fence to play with Sadie. (While we were out in the yard with her.) Sadie loved chasing and trying to steal things from the much larger, faster dog. Sassy can only be described as “intense”, but she was always so gentle and careful with Sadie. More than once, we watched her ball up and take a tumble in order to avoid stepping on Sadie. When play time was over, all we had to do was say, “Sassy, go home.” She would instantly drop the toy and head for the gate. ( I can’t imagine her current owners trained her.)
Those people usually have a second dog that also runs the neighborhood. They change about once a year. I guess they get hit by cars or something, and then they get another one. (Yes, to some people, a dog can be a “replacement”. ) The current one is a pain… barking at you when your checking your own mail box, etc.
I won’t miss him when he‘s gone, but Sassy, the boarder collie is a pleasure to the neighborhood.
…And apparently smart enough to look both ways before crossing the street.
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Jennifer,Originally Posted By: Jennifer He said to me is that a replacement? and I'm thinking what is he talking about. He realised my confusion so he pointed to Sherry and said that, is it a replacement for the one that died like Lilly was a piece of furniture that you just replacewhat an idiot.![]()
I hope this guy isn't a really good friend of yours because I have to say what a thoughtless person he must be. That is a horrible, horrible thing to say! Geez!
And I don't know if this makes him smart or he just has a solid memory but Yodel has chewies hidden and buried all over the yard and in the house. And I'll bet he knows where each and every one is.
~Denise
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I had someone say that to me before and you know what? I made the Hmmmmmmmm think about what they just said after I said you kidding me? and rolled off some of the stuff I had to say.....
Beags are SMART, they are just challenging.
They kinda remind me of the children in school that are very smart get board easy and need something challenging.
think about the noses too of a BEAG holly macaronni those are some high scent trackers they have, they could not track diddly if they did not have a great memory to store all the scent information...etc....
Beags are SMART, they are just challenging.
They kinda remind me of the children in school that are very smart get board easy and need something challenging.
think about the noses too of a BEAG holly macaronni those are some high scent trackers they have, they could not track diddly if they did not have a great memory to store all the scent information...etc....
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