[RoseyPosey]

(i had to retype this WHOLE THING because i deleted it)

As i said in my intro, me and my boyfriend just got a 17 week old male beagle puppy on sunday (the 7th).

We are having some issues with the crate and him sleeping at night. The first night he slept ok in it, because he was tired from all the driving and excitement. From 1am-7am. When we put him in the crate that night, i laid by the crate to soothe him a bit, and he evenually feel alseep after some minor whining etc.

Monday night, he relaxed/napped on the couch so monday night he didnt sleep ALL NIGHT. he was up all night. He just kept barking so loud and whining the whole night.
We tried taking him out right from the crate, soothing him out of the crate then putting him back in, letting him whine/bark it out. Needless to say, it was a horrrrrible night.

SO last night, we decided to not let him nap/sleep UNTIL bed time. He was so tired he was literally falling asleep sitting up, so i was excited to have a good nights sleep.
Its hard keeping him up, because he is NOT playful AT ALL. all he wants to do is lay on the couch. We try to play and entice him to no avail.
So last night, i ptu him in the crate, let him relax and get to sleep. I tiptoed to my bed and as soon as i touched the matress, he was UP! it got to the point where my boyfriend was on the couch because he was up all the night before, so i was trying to walk him, then soothe him, let him cry it out.

We finally got so frustrated, we put the crate back in the living room, went into our room, and let him cry/bark/howl it out until he finally fell alseep.

We keep the crate in the living room during the day and to sleep in our bedroom.

Here is our schedule. we take him for alot more walks and stuff but its the timeline of our day

7am: wake up, take him straight out from crate to outside
745:-8: he eats
8:10: take him out:
8:15: in crate
8:30: i leave for work. he is alone in crate
12ish: i get home for lunch. take him straight outside from crate
between now and 12:30 i let him hang with me whiel i make and eat lunch, let him have some water, take him back out then back in the crate so i can leave at 12:30.
5: home from work, straight outside. eats dinner
5:30-bed: try nd play with him, but he doesnt like to. take him for a walk at LEAST once an hour.

10-11: bed time. crate in bedroom, take him out side, then straight to crate. try to soothe him and then the rest is history.

Im not sure if we are doing somethign wrong, but it seems like everything about soothing him etc ive read isnt working. We are so tired and just want to be able to sleep more than 4 hours a night. We have only had him 3 days so we dont expect the world, trust me, but it seems he hates the crate more and more eacht ime he gets put in it, as opposed to getting used to it!
Its makes me feel so bad because its liek he tries to escape and whines so much!

Actually he whines like all day.


ANY help woudl be appreciated!

TIA!

 

[DaisysMom]

It is difficult and I sympathize with you but it will get better. First, do not remove him from the crate when he whines. He will just learn that whining = getting out of the crate. Wait until he is quiet and then remove him from the crate.

Daisy sleeps with me, but that is because I don't want to crate her during the day and then again at night. That is a personal choice, but he might handle that better.

 

[RoseyPosey]

Thanks Dasysmom!

I was thinking about just letting him sleep with us, but me and SO sort of want our bed to be OUR bed, ya know what i mean?

Its like, he is so calm during the evening, than at night, no matter how tired he was, he just wants to play!

So should i take him out at all at night? or just let him whine it out? We take him out RIGHT before bed, and he never goes when i take him out of the crate and outside at night.

 

[Brien]

First off, you're doing great! Your schedule is similar to what ours was when we first got Bodie. That is also what I recommend people do for new pups.

Initially we kept Bodie in a 4' x 4' doggie play pen in our living room over night. He never really cried or whined because he learned within a few days that sort of behavior would be ignored. After a couple of months we put his crate in our bedroom and let him sleep in their with us. Because he had already learned to be quiet at night he was fine. Within a week or two after that he was able to sleep in his dog bed in our room too. Again, very little noise other then snoring or weird sounds.

I would suggest putting his crate somewhere other then your bedroom and get him accustom to sleeping through the night without crying. Obviously ignore him if he does it. And after a set period of time when he's sleeping all night then try moving the crate back into the bedroom. If he starts whining again just ignore him. Don't pet him, walk him or talk to him. He'll learn eventually.

 

[RoseyPosey]

Thanks Brien, i almost feel so bad for the little guy because is in the crate most of the day and all night. So he only gets walks and when were home in the evening he is out.

Why is he so hyper at night when its time for bed and not in the evening? Its almost like he is a lazy dog, when he is a puppy!!!

is he anxious from not being around his beagle family anymore? He was in a kennel with like 30 other dogs.

 

[vkschoch]

We're like Daisysmom, we let Squeegee sleep with us. We tried the crate and just like you were exhausted after a few days. The first night that we let him sleep in our bed he slept all night and has pretty much done so ever since. I love having him in the bed to snuggle with but I know that not everyone wants a dog in bed. I agree that taking them out when they're crying is not a good choice. He probably does need to go out at some point during the night if he's not sleeping but like everyone else has said wait until he's quiet to take him out. They say that the number of months old that they are plus 1 is the number of hours that they can hold it. Yours should be 5 hours, I guess. So maybe take him out after 4-5 hours which would be once per night.

 

[RoseyPosey]

Thanks vicki! We'll give that a try as well!

 

[theregalbeagle]

I'm a first time beagle owner as well - Regal is just about 6 months. We had some minor issues with him sleeping in the crate at the beginning. It's a new environment and I think it's to be expected. We kept his crate right next to our bed. There were a few sleepless nights but he eventually got the hang of it. Patience is needed - and try not to take him out when whining.

How much exercise is he getting each day? Even though he appears lazy exercise is necessary. A moderate walk will do wonders and sniffing around is great mental exercise for them. We usually do a 30 minute walk after work and on one of his other potty breaks he gets to beagle around the front yard. He sounds like he needs a little walk right before bed time.

As for playing he may not be comfortable interacting with you yet. He can still play on his own and hopefully soon he'll include you. Our beagle is food motivated to the nth degree so his favorite toys are a treat stuffed kong, plus a wiffle ball with a biscuit in it. The kong he plays with on his own, ball we play with him. We let him smell the ball with the treat then toss it for him to fetch. Even if they don't let you throw it, they can roll it around on their own and wait for the treat to drop.

This board has been a great resource for me and I know you'll receive tons of great advice. Your guy is young and in a new environment so he is going to need a little time and lots of your patience to adjust!!

 

[RoseyPosey]

thank regal! I do take him for a walk right before bed.

I thought i read somewhere about not taking puppies for long runs?? Like just now i lunch, i took him out and we got about 7 houses down and we ran back to the yard.

I do take him for a bit of a walk everytime, but sometimes he is very resistant. and i dont liek tugging on the leash/collar.

Should i look into getting a harness? Do they wear the harness at all times when they are potty training so i dont have to try and put him in it when he is about ot potty in ther house?

 

[deedeebee]

a harness is a wonderful thing to have when walking a puppy. zelda didn't like her harness at first, so we splurged and got a really well made harness. Try to find one that isn't made out of the same stuff that most collars and leashes are made out of.

http://www.puppiaharness.ca/

Zelda has one of these. They are wider and more comfortable for dogs. I feel more safe when using it because it really holds them in and doesn't seem to hurt them at all. Very durable too.

 

[RoseyPosey]

Thanks Diana, do i leave it on all the time except when in the crate right now while potty training?

 

[Lucy's Mom]

It sounds like you are doing the right things, and unfortunately, you have a months or so before your pup will be able to make it through the night. Young puppies are like human babies. In fact, I found puppies good training for having a human babies.

One thing that helped us when Lucy and Flora were small, and trying the If I make enough noise, will I get out of the crate? test. Ruckus in the crate got a trip outside to potty, but no interaction: no eye contact, no petting, just get the job done. If she wasn't quiet in the crate after that, we moved the crate out of the bedroom. If she was still too loud for us to sleep we moved the crate farther and farther away (and covered with a blanket, assuming it can't be reached from inside) until the noise didn't bother us anymore. There was a rough few nights, but finally they got the idea.

 

[deedeebee]

Originally Posted By: RoseyPoseyThanks Diana, do i leave it on all the time except when in the crate right now while potty training?

We used the harness mainly when taking her for a walk. She used to jump a lot during walks and try to bite her leash, so the harness would keep it in place. She just wouldn't walk with us or walk at a good pace and would always find something distracting on the side of the sidewalk. The harness basically taught her how to go on walks better. You can keep it on if you'd like, but it's probably more comfortable for them to have it off when they are inside.

I think overall they just need some sort of constant routine, which you seem to already be doing with your morning walks and lunchtime visits, etc. So once you figure out the best way to make him sleep during the night and stick with it, then he should be good. I'd say stick with keeping him inside the crate at night until he realizes that coming outside of the crate means potty time and not cuddle time.. or if you do take him out to play with him, make sure he goes outside to potty first.

That's just what worked best with us for Zelda.

And I've mentioned it a few times before, but once he's a bit older and he's getting good at potty training, hang a rope of bells to whichever door you use to go outside (somewhere that he can get to by himself) and make him hit the bells everytime you open the door. Zelda knows now that if she hits it constantly we'll let her outside. She usually taps it once and gives us a HELLLOOOOOOO!! kind of look before hitting it much harder right after. It's really cute to see them pick up on it.

 

[Tucker]

We use a harness too and it seems to work well. I try to walk Tucker places where he won't get distracted by smells too much. If you live in a quiet neighborhood, the middle of the street works well. I also go the High school and walk around the building and in the parking lot. I do give hime lots of sniff time too. He loves to sniff arborvitas.

 

[Smeagle]

I know mine isn't a popular opinion, but do you have to leave him crated all day?

We crate trained Daisy but she was never left in there all day. Even setting up a puppy play pen would be better if you don't have any other space to leave him in - sorry but I don't think its natural or normal to make a puppy hold its pee for four hours or more. Their bladders are not yet fully developed. Are you leaving him without water for all those hours?? No wonder he doesn't want to sleep at night - he's not getting much stimulation during the day.

He is probably whining all day because he's bored and under stimulated.

 

[RoseyPosey]

Originally Posted By: SmeagleI know mine isn't a popular opinion, but do you have to leave him crated all day?

We crate trained Daisy but she was never left in there all day. Even setting up a puppy play pen would be better if you don't have any other space to leave him in - sorry but I don't think its natural or normal to make a puppy hold its pee for four hours or more. Their bladders are not yet fully developed. Are you leaving him without water for all those hours?? No wonder he doesn't want to sleep at night - he's not getting much stimulation during the day.

He is probably whining all day because he's bored and under stimulated.

He gets water and food scheduled. he is a puppy, and the more water he drinks, the more he will pee. There is no reason to let him drink all day long.

he whines when he cant see us. and instead of coming ot us, he just stands there and whines.

Also, he wont be in his crate everyday all day forever, but he is in the crate when i am not home. i am cleaning up poop and pee enough as it is, and he needs to learn he does not have full rein of the house. He is in his crate from 8:15- 12. then crated from 12:30 - 5.

He is actually starting to like the crate and feeling comfortable in it. last night went great!!!!!!



At 11:00 we put him in the crate and he was asleep by 11:30 ish. He slept until 4 sometime ( i was half alseep and cant quite remember but it was 4 something lol) we took him out, then he went back in the crate until 7. He did so well!

I also took the bedding out of his crate, and he hasnt gone it in since. The bedding was soaking it up, so he couldnt feel it.

 

[charlie 7]

I'm a first time beagle owner too and tyes just over 5months old i had him when he was 8 1/2 wks old i never used a creat (not my sort of thing) but he has his own room with his own bed and his toys etc etc so i lock him in when its bed time or when were going out, at first he didnt sleep howling allllllll night, but i just ignored him, its hard but i had to do it, now when its bed time or when we go out not a peep!!
The only time he has a bit of a moan is when he has his food (i put him in his room while we have ours or else he jumps up) he must time use eating and if were over about half hour he moans to say its time up, but i still ignore him and i think hes getting the message now lol, but it takes time!
You'll get there like i am lol

 

[Smeagle]

Originally Posted By: RoseyPosey
He gets water and food scheduled. he is a puppy, and the more water he drinks, the more he will pee. There is no reason to let him drink all day long.

he whines when he cant see us. and instead of coming ot us, he just stands there and whines.

Also, he wont be in his crate everyday all day forever, but he is in the crate when i am not home. i am cleaning up poop and pee enough as it is, and he needs to learn he does not have full rein of the house. He is in his crate from 8:15- 12. then crated from 12:30 - 5.

Of course he is in his crate all day, you are at work all day!

Unfortunately, when you get a puppy, they will toilet A LOT. They do not have control over their bowels until they are much older and it is normal for a puppy to pee and poo everywhere until they learn to toilet in the right area and gain more control of their bladder. Its nice that you don't feel like cleaning up dog poo and pee but that is part of owning a puppy! How will he learn to toilet in the right place if all you are doing is force him to hold his bladder for hours?

Sorry, not allowing your puppy access to water for five hours or more is plain cruelty. Dogs should ALWAYS have access to fresh, clean water. What if it was a hot day? Of course he needs water all day - so he can be hydrated

When I got my puppy, I expected there to be accidents. I sectioned off part of the house and gave her access to an outdoor area (ALWAYS leaving water down for her) as well as toys, so she would have both physical and mental stimulation. She didn't have access to the whole house but sure enough she had room to move around and access to water.

I find your attitude quite unbelievable.

 

[Java]

Yikes. That's a bit harsh, Smeagle. There will always be a difference in training philosophy, and I'm not sure you can accurately gauge and question someone's attitude on a message board based on some venting from a first time beagle owner.

 

[Smeagle]

Originally Posted By: Java & Lilo!Yikes. That's a bit harsh, Smeagle. There will always be a difference in training philosophy, and I'm not sure you can accurately gauge and question someone's attitude on a message board based on some venting from a first time beagle owner.

I don't think leaving a puppy for five hours or so without water is a training philosophy. Dogs should always have access to water, especially little pups.

I apologise if I've come across as blunt but there is NO way on earth I would leave my puppy or even my adult dogs without water for hours on end just so they don't mess their crates. Puppies are like babies, they cannot control their bladders, they need to toilet every few hours and forcing a pup to be dehydrated just so you don't have to clean up the mess is not a training method but cruelty IMO.