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Is it the norm for people to bring the breeder down on theinitial asking price for the pup?

The lemon one im looking at is £450, around $900, would it be normal to get them down another £50, 100?
 

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I guess it would be normal. Here in the states breeders ask for a range of prices (150-2500 dollar). since it's a contract/deal you can negotiate, makes sense.
 

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Are the beagles from a line of show beagles or some such?

Also, lemon and white are less common than tri colors so they could cost a little more.
 

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No harm in trying, it will be up to the breeder to decide. Have you considered a rescue?
 

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I guess there is no harm in trying Peter but I have to say that £450 for a Pedigree Beagle in the UK today is a very good deal. My last puppy cost me £750. Rosa cost me £450 and that was 7 years ago.
 

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I would say no.I would also be careful as a well bred pup is normally £850
 

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Originally Posted By: JenniferI did think that very cheap Vonny...what's the name of the breeder you are getting it from Peter?
I meant to post a longer reply but had to go out.

I would be very careful at that price.To me it sounds like a BYB or puppy farm,the type of place that advertises on sites like epupz.
Peter if you do go ahead be very careful.Make sure the pup is healthy not potbellied and full of worms.See the mother of the pups to check her temprement,if the breeder makes an excuse it could be a dealer.Puppy farms use people as fronts to sell their pups.If they have lots of other breeds available walk away because they are a dealer.
If you want a well bred pup contact the Kennel Club for a list of reputable breeders but expect to pay at least £800.
 

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Well hees the ad that i found and at the bottom is there website.

Ad Information
Category: Featured Breeders
Subcategories: Beagle
Kennel Name little rascals
Date from which puppies are available: 19/02/2008
Number of Dogs: 1
Number of Bitches: 4
Price of each Dog : £450
Price of each Bitch : £450
These puppies have: Pedigree
After sales care and support
Dietary sheet & food sample
Vet check prior to collection
These puppies are suitable as: Pets
Exercise required: Moderate Level
Description
beautiful pups available 19/02/2008
1 lemon and white boy, 2 girls and 2 tri girls
3 generation pedigree with papers
fully vet checked with health card
all have 1st vaccination and are wormed and treated for fleas
mum can be seen.
free puppy pack
fully stocked pet shop on site
Contact Information

Contact: edward swindells
Location: lincoln , Lincolnshire
england
Post Code:
Telephone: 01522789191
E-Mail: Reply to Ad
Web Site: http://littlerascalsuk.com

Website - http://littlerascalsuk.com/
 

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I have just looked at their website and they are obviously dealers.I personally would never buy from a dealer as I do not agree with their principles.
Their pups are a commodity for sale and will not be a well bred,well reared and socialised puppy.
Save up your money until you can afford to buy from a decent breeder.Your Beagle is a big investment that you will hopefully enjoy the nrxt 13 years with so buy the best you can.
 

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Sorry Peter but I would not buy from these people. They are dealers like Vonny said not breeders. They say they are breeders but surely if they are they can't breed that many different breeds of dogs under one roof and produce good puppies.

Anyone who advertises "Designer Dogs" rings alarm bells in my head anyway.

Please be careful and be patient Peter. The puppies may be great but I wouldn't take the risk. Rahter save up a bit more money and go to a reputable breeder or better still get a rescue.
 

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I think that these specific ones just handle too many breeds to give them the right attention and handle the breeding in the correct manner.

I do believe that each puppy deserves a home, even if they are pet store puppies or puppy mill puppies, but buy buying from them, you are empowering them....

 

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As a breeder myself, I have to say, I do not negotiate on price. My pups are an expense, I have X amount of dollars flying out the window on them, and adjust the price to help me recoup my losses. I'm still usually in the red after a breeding /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif You'd be surprised how much $$$ a well bred pup has behind it, and it's not fair to a honest breeder to be expected to compete with the prices of brokers, pet stores, commercial breeders, etc.

Also keep in mind, from my own experience 99% of the time, a reputable breeder will not negotiate on price - a good breeder is not looking to have pups "priced to sell". JMHO.
 

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I bought diesel from a private breeder. he does have papers but i only paid 450 for him... she gave me pretty much everything mentioned in the add above... i got a puppy pack, they had been dewormed and first shots. she even gave me a bag with his name on it and his favorite toys. a sample of his food. another thing i like a lot was she was very thourough...she did a weekly check up on weight and activities and posted it online where i could see him. she gave me a year guarantee for health and things like that... another thing i like and would suggest is she gave me a blanket that had been with the mother for a day or too. so that when i brought diesel home he had the blanket that smelled like mom and it helped him on the first night home.

but he is the perfect beagle. his attitude is beagle to the T. his body and size is amazing. he is all around the perfect Beagle.

but like vonny said i dont like the website. it looks kinda shady. especially since they have so many different breeds.
 

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well tbh i really cant afford to be spending £1000.00 on a puppy. And i know that i will give it a loving home so whether it had truly amzing upbringing or just a decent one doesn't matter to me, because i will still show it the same love whether it costs 500 or 1000 pounds.

There are only another 3 breeders of beagles in the uk at the moment and these are the only people who do the lemon pups, and they are only 2 hours away, everywhere else is about a 10 hour round trip minimum.

What i'll do is go tomorrow and get a feel for the place, but i really do appriecaite the help given by you all and i will give an honest write up tomorrow about how i got on. Are there any partiular signs that i should be looking out for, both good and bad?
 

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Check that he is not bloated, his gums are pink and not pale, his eyes are clean and without discharges, his ears are clean and with a clean fresh smell.
Check his coat for bald spots (indication for roundworms).

Also, you should check that he doesn't scare easily, and once you make a loud noise, he pays attention but then goes back to his business. Make sure he is a playful puppy but not too aggressive. You'll get the feel of his behavior when you are with him.

Also, watch how the mother behaves with the puppies, observe her character and behavior.

I would also make sure that you can take him to your vet when you get him home, and if there is something wrong (hopefully there won't be) they will pay the vet bills (of at least split them with you). If so, get that in writing!

Good Luck!
 

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sorry had a look and the pics of the puppies, whilst still cute are no way the same as reputable breeders such as Dialynne.

I'm paying £850 for mine, and as a car salesman would normally ask for a deal, however I didn't think twice when you see the heritage they have (Crufts Champion both parents!)

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The upbringing does matter.The first few weeks of a pups life make a huge difference to the end result.
The mother should be a healthy happy hound. The pups should be wormed regulary and socialised,they should be used to things in the house or else they will be nervous.You do not want a sickly pup that will cost you a fortune in vets fees.

If you do go tomorrow ask to see the mum and see all the litter.They should be lively and bright eyed and clean.
The conditions that they are kept in sholud be clean and not smelly.Do not take a puppy under 8 weeks old as they need that time with their mum to learn basic rules.
I am not doubting the love you will give it but as the owner of a rescued ex-breeding bitch from this type of establishment I feel very strongly about them.
 

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I have to agree with Hound Music. There is so much more involved in breeding RIGHT than just letting two dogs get together "object puppies".
Here in the states, prices vary a great deal by location. In California breeders can get $700-800 (or more) for a purebred beagle puppy from good lines. I have a friend in NY who breeds championship line beagles and she's lucky to get $300 for an AKC registered puppy. Here in eastern WA, beagles are NOT the "breed of choice" - and the <u>most</u> I've ever gotten was $500 for a puppy from championship lines. The male sold for $450. There were three pups in that litter which was "born" c-section - my vet bill was over $900. One pup I kept to continue the line because the mother was spayed at the same time she had her c-section. That is JUST the vet bill - doesn't include all the other expenses involved in doing a good job and taking good care of the mom and babies - special food for mom, both before and after whelping, vet care for the puppies - check ups, dew claw removal, de-worming, shots, "puppy kits". Special food for babies - as Hound Music said, it's very expensive. A good breeder has expenses that should be met. I don't breed for "money" - but because I have some great beagles from great lines and I love trying to help make great puppies /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/yay.gif. My puppies are born right here in my family room (unless, like Lottie, they need a c-section, then they're born at the vet's office) where I spend most of my waking hours. They are loved and cherished from the moment they arrive. I screen my "buyers" very carefully and make sure they understand what they're getting into with a beagle puppy. I will always take back a pup for any reason - and I'm always willing to help with any problems the new owners may encounter. My moms are healthy and happy - the pups are well-socialized, and I NEVER let a puppy go before 8 weeks - but prefer a little later to give them the time they need with their mom.
I fully realize that "breeders" are not popular on most of these "groups or forums" - but we are NOT all "puppy mills" and without breeders like Hound Music and some of the breeders I know, where would we get our beloved hounds.
By the way, I believe that we are going to have a litter here about mid April. Prospective owners will be screened even MORE thoroughly than usual because of Uno's win! I don't want any of my puppies to ever wind up in a shelter or rescue (or worse) because the owners don't know about the breed.
 

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Peter,
When you talk about the puppy’s upbringing. I understand that what you are talking about is it’s potential to be a show dog, and that what you want is a healthy companion animal.
My wife and I purchased our first beagle puppy from a pet store. Something we know better than to do again, now. Pet store dogs come from mass production breeders who are in it for the money and don’t care about anything more than pumping out as many animals as they can force out of their breeding stock. (Puppy mills)
Our little girl is 2-½ years old now. We love her very much and wouldn’t trade her for anything. We have found out that she has a genetic knee deformity. Something that was passed down from one of her parents. A reputable breeder would not breed animals that have this or any other problems that can be passed down to future generations. The problem our Sadie has is uncommon in beagles, but there are several other genetic weaknesses that are common, and they can be very expensive and heartbreaking.
When we decided to get a second beagle I checked into a couple reputable, local, private breeders. Their lines are champion show quality, but not every pup has the potential to be a champion. Those that don’t have what it takes are sold as “pet quality” at a discounted price, but they still have the benefit of the same careful breeding. Maybe that’s something you can check into.
We ended up not getting one of those discounted puppies.
You know why?… Because raising a beagle puppy is a lot of work! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bounce.gif

We adopted a rescued beagle that was a little over a year old. He was already house broken, etc. but still full of all the fun energy and excitement of a puppy.
I don’t know what the rescue organizations are like in the UK, but here in the states you can look through several animals for the age, color, etc. that you’re interested in. They even occasionally bring in a pregnant bitch who has her litter right there. Then, when they’re old enough, the pups are available for adoption too. The animals are checked for basic health issued, vaccinated, and spayed or neutered as needed. If there are special needs for the animal, you know about it up front.
I also don’t know, but you might be surprised at what lengths the rescue organizations would go to get an animal to you, if there isn’t one near you and your new pet has to come from far away.
Please. At least search online a little. Here’s a link to where we got our Sparky. No help to you, but it will give you an idea of what they can do for you… and what you can do for a homeless dog. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/yay.gif

Tampa Bay Beagle Rescue
 
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