I would consider that 'crate training', not punishment. I know that with Hailey she thinks that scratching at the door is equal to going out and sunbathing. So if she doesn't go, I put her in her crate for awhile and normally the next time I take her out she will do her business, all because she didn't want to do the doo in the crate.Originally Posted By: Toby & LuckyI don't think that is using the crate as punishment is it? I won't fuss or anything. Just walk, no poo = crate, poo = freedom in the house.