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Old 03-13-2017, 12:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree about the leash. I use it often. They seem to know they're under control.
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Old 03-13-2017, 12:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 03-13-2017, 07:12 PM   #23 (permalink)
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To the person who says "train your dog... she should be able to sit next to a steak..." ... if that is how your dog is - impressive! It would be helpful to me and to other people if you shared your method of training, and summarized how long it took for your dog to get to that advanced level. Was it simply positive reinforcement?

I find the most frustrating thing about owning a scent hound is that there is a lot of "surface deep" information online and trainers we have worked with don't really understand much about them other than that they are "food oriented". I have read tons of material online and in books, and have found very little in the manner of training a beagle/beagle-mix as a family pet.

Thanks again for your responses. Hopefully some more people can respond with more ideas.
Well, I'm that guy The training is basically just a loud no and then yell back up along with a stern voice from the time we got her at 8 weeks. Now it is a lot easier to start then because the can't get up on a table, couch, etc at that size. Beagles want to please, mine cares more about being in my good graces than just about anything. Now I will admit to giving her a piece of steak if she has not required more than one no when I am done eating. However, steak or a steak bone is the only people food she gets.

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A d as for the positive vs negative reinforcement, for me praise is when I am trying to get you to do something- yelling is for when I want you to stop something.
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I have done that with food on the floor as well. I say "leave it" though in a stern voice. I have also done it with the kids toys all over the place because I didn't want her to chew up their toys. I figured if we were going to have a dog and kids in the same house, the dog is going to listen. That is kind of why I made the decision to latch her when the kids were eating because she was always there ready to pounce on anything that fell. Like it was automatically hers. She knows leave it very well now. Keep working at it, you are in charge not your dog, you decide what she can eat, not her controlling your meal time or life
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Forgot I took this picture a few weeks ago. Piper sitting near a mostly unattended plate hoping that if she is good that she might get a scrap at the end.
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Forgot I took this picture a few weeks ago. Piper sitting near a mostly unattended plate hoping that if she is good that she might get a scrap at the end.
AW! Boh does that too. Sit, stare, wait. HA!
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Forgot I took this picture a few weeks ago. Piper sitting near a mostly unattended plate hoping that if she is good that she might get a scrap at the end.
That plate is way to close to the edge...lol
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Thank you again for your responses. I would not describe Penny as a dog that wants to please her people. She curls up with us snug on the bed at night and I do feel that we have a close bond with her as a result. She will occasionally clean our faces and hands and it seems like she does this out of affection.

I have been successful in training her in our house, but the difficulty level between inside and outside is extreme. The difficulty level inside, when there is food is also extreme.

In the past month or two we have attempted training her to stay on her bed and have put the crate in the dining room. This has had a lot of success, but it is going to take a lot more and we are often too distracted by our daughter and just eating our dinner during this time, so it is going to take a long time.

I will tell you now that telling her "NO" in a stern voice, and yelling at her has the opposite affect that some of you are describing - Penny becomes more obstinate and "deaf" in that situation. It has it's place in an emergency situation, such as her following her nose into the street or if she is about to get something in her mouth that is sharp and dangerous (like a chicken bone on the street), but really is useless for our situation. Maybe if we had started when she was a puppy, but we'll never know.

We are looking at building a fence because we know she needs to run and sniff around an open space without a leash to really get her energy out, but this is expensive and not necessarily possible in the near future.

Right now, the real challenge is getting her exercise on walks without being pulled in every direction. Walks are very upsetting at times because she is so completely uninterested in us outside. I carry a bag of small smelly treats and clicker train her, but it is ridiculously difficult because she is distracted so much. As soon as I reward her for sitting, coming, etc, she leaps back towards a scent, which is usually out of reach and I get yanked.
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Thank you again for your responses. I would not describe Penny as a dog that wants to please her people. She curls up with us snug on the bed at night and I do feel that we have a close bond with her as a result. She will occasionally clean our faces and hands and it seems like she does this out of affection.

I have been successful in training her in our house, but the difficulty level between inside and outside is extreme. The difficulty level inside, when there is food is also extreme.

In the past month or two we have attempted training her to stay on her bed and have put the crate in the dining room. This has had a lot of success, but it is going to take a lot more and we are often too distracted by our daughter and just eating our dinner during this time, so it is going to take a long time.

I will tell you now that telling her "NO" in a stern voice, and yelling at her has the opposite affect that some of you are describing - Penny becomes more obstinate and "deaf" in that situation. It has it's place in an emergency situation, such as her following her nose into the street or if she is about to get something in her mouth that is sharp and dangerous (like a chicken bone on the street), but really is useless for our situation. Maybe if we had started when she was a puppy, but we'll never know.

We are looking at building a fence because we know she needs to run and sniff around an open space without a leash to really get her energy out, but this is expensive and not necessarily possible in the near future.

Right now, the real challenge is getting her exercise on walks without being pulled in every direction. Walks are very upsetting at times because she is so completely uninterested in us outside. I carry a bag of small smelly treats and clicker train her, but it is ridiculously difficult because she is distracted so much. As soon as I reward her for sitting, coming, etc, she leaps back towards a scent, which is usually out of reach and I get yanked.
I don't think beagles, as a breed, are dogs that want to please their owners. Generally, dogs like German Shepherds want to please. They are biddable. Beagles are smart, but have their own agenda and want to know, "What's in it for me.?"

Did you try the sit on the leash and ignoring technique? Every technique does not work for every dog. If one thing doesn't work, you need to try something else. Be sure, when you give a command, you only say it one time. Being repetitive won't help and the dog will tune you out. Some of my best training, is when I say nothing at all. I use my body and hand signals. It forces the dog to focus on me. I was one of the 'use a stern, "NO!"' people. By that, I mean, firm, not loud and certainly not yelling. Dogs have excellent hearing. I have found that I have more success with a whisper, than shouting. Again, sometimes silence works best of all.

I noticed that your dog sleeps in bed with you. I have no problem with allowing a dog to sleep in the bed. I do have problem with 'your' dog being allowed to sleep in the bed. His behavior, in blowing you off seems to say he has not earned the privilege of sleeping in your bed. It sounds like he gives you affection on his terms. Perhaps he feels he is above you and that is why he doesn't listen to you.

If you can't afford to build a fence around your entire property, is there any way you could build a smaller fence within the perimeter? Walks will never be able to adequately tire out a dog. If you could enclose a small area, you could use a flirt pole, which would tire him out immensely. Come to think of it, I even made a short one to play in the house, so it is possible you could do that too. Also - be sure to exercise his mind. Do several short obedience sessions every day. Make puzzles for him to figure out and hide treats for him to find.

It is good you have seen improvement with him staying on his bed. All you can do is continue to train. It always takes time. If you see something is not working, change it. Try something else, until you figure out what works.

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